Ну, коли боитесь, не покупайте — в торговле всегда кто-то из двоих остаётся в минусе. С подобными вопросами лучше к «спецам» https://guitarplayer.ru/equipment-flame/106010721085-1082108310911073-10751080109010721088-fernandesburny/2115/
Но проблема в том, что даже настоящие знатоки инструментов не всегда наверняка знают о «фирменных секретах» — даже менеджеры на фабриках брендов могут быть не «в курсе», куда деваются те или иные элементы инструментов, которые «всплывают» на инструментах «неопознанных» производителей. Серийный номер подразумевает полную заводскую отчётность. А это значит, в налоговых отчётах будет фигурировать, т. е. будет вычет из дохода. С этим очень жалко мириться. Это не обман. Но небольшая хитрость — серое производство. Как раз на бюджетные модели распространяется чаще всего.
Где-то в ВКонтакте встречал группу именно по теме проверки эл. гитар «на подлинность». Но уже тогда там был застой, а сейчас умерла, наверняка — большинству до лампочки, почему у недорого подаваемой гитары нет серийника. В общем, если никаких «опознавательных знаков», кроме логотипа фирмы нет, то кроме как убедиться в качествах инструмента, как попробовать играть на нём, нет другого способа понять, что это перед вами.
Остроумный Саша Пушной наглядно показал, что не следует зацикливаться на лейблах, верить в «бесподобный сустейн» только из-за принадлежности к бренду (порой, впрочем уже потерявшее непогрешимое былое величие — аналогов звук закончился в конце 90-х и никогда уже не вернётся в «чистом» виде), но доверяйте собственным ушам — есть или нет драйв https://youtu.be/QNlsU18jMR0
Сама по себе электрогитара вообще не звучит. Это всего лишь доска (есть и вовсе без корпуса-резонатора), гриф со струнами и звукосниматели. Безусловно, от точности/тщательности изготовления деталей многое зависит, но главную роль в создании звука будут играть усилитель мощности сигнала и возможности акустической системы. Уж про умение гитариста не говорим — классный музыкант сыграет и на «дровах» (пусть и со слезами на глазах), а вот тот, кто кроме «трёх аккордов» ничего не одолел, не сможет «раскрыть тему» даже на легендарных гитарах Виртуозов
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Fernandes – Burny: Serial Number
In the late ’70s and then in the’ 80s, Japanese brands making copies were afraid of a possible lawsuit from Gibson. Indeed, Gibson had previously filed a lawsuit against Ibanez in 77-78. As for Fender, the brand had preferred to follow the saying “If you can not beat them, join them”.
Fernandes has almost never used a serial number on his guitars and basses, except on the first models released by the brand or on models manufactured by Tokai in the late 70s. This strategy was certainly intended to prevent an exact count of guitar and bass sales in the case of US trademark lawsuits.
In addition to the serial numbers, there are a few things that can help define the manufacturing date of a Fernandes or Burny instrument.
the logo design (example: Stone logo = 1978-1980)
date or symbol on the pot
Ibanez 1975 Oldies Catalogue — March 27, 2021
Tokai 1982 Catalogue Vol.6 — January 24, 2021
Orville by Gibson 1992-1996 Brochure (2) — January 21, 2021
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Vintage Made in Japan guitar aficionado! I do not consider myself a specialist, I still have a lot to learn about MIJ guitars. I am just an enthusiast who wants to share the results of his research. I hope that my work will be useful.
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Hi there. I have a Fernandes Stratocaster here, and I have disessembled it fight now. On the headstock there is a sticker with a serial number. In the neck pocket IT is stamped AFR 45 and the neck says AFR 55. I have bought ut secondo hand from the original owner, that claims he bought ut new like this. Is this something known, or do I have a rare/fake model here? Cheers Bjarte inn Norway
Does it have Made in Japan on the serial sticker and/or the neck plate? AFR-45 and AFR-55 were low price tier and may be manufactured in China. The high end on this series were AFR-120 / AFR-150. AFR-45 and 55 were almost the same guitars so it’s totally possible IMO to have parts from both models since they can share the same specs (i.e. same neck).
Thank you for quick response. Yup, a sticker with Made om Japan, and neckplate engraved with same statement. Hardware is Gotoh, even a Gotoh humbucker. It may be an affordable model, but it is really well made. Probably sold new in Norway. May it been put together for European marked? Cheers Bjarte
AFR models were for US market, in Japan they were called just FR. I don’t know if it’s common to see 55 stamped neck on 45 models, it just can be because they had a stock in factory 😉
Sorry. My autocorrect is constantly changing in to om. Made in Japan. Both sticker and neckplate. Even the pots are Japan made.
Hi! I have a fernandes pj bass serial no 09067 with a transparent pickguard can you help me to date my bass please?
Ask in the Fernandes – Burny facebook group and post pics of your bass there
Hello! I have a Fernandes HB 65 but the ones i see others on line are the Burny ones, whats the difference? I see the hb 65 in the 1996 catalog you have on here. Are the Burny ones from Japan and Fernandes is US?
Hello Mike, The Gibson copies with Fernandes logo were principally for UK, Australia, South Africa and maybe a couple of other specific markets.
привет у меня Fernandes Warlock Bass WB-90 с реверсивной головой грифа из опознавательных знаков одна буква ” F ” на голове грифа название ( фирмы ) и номер L078094 как узнать год выпуска и строну производителя
what are the specs for a Fernandes Limited Edition, large headstock, 3 screw neckplate, almost a 70s revival had not been for a regular gotoh tuners?
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Серийные номера и каталлоги
Основным параметом при определении года выпуска инструмента являются первые буквы серийного номера. Так же нужно учитывать маркировки «Made in Japan» и «Crafted in Japan» которые как правило наносятся рядом с серийным номером или на тыльной стороне грифа.
Часто возникают ошибки при определении серийных номеров с маркировкой Made in Japan T и U по скольку они имеют повторения . В данном случае вернее всего будет посмотреть по состоянию инструмента и по возможности проверить соответствие с каталогами .
Made in Japan 1982-1997
Crafted in Japan 1997-2008
Made in Japan 2008-2013
JV + 5 digits
1982-84
A + 6 digits
1997-98
T0 + 5 digits
2007-10
SQ + 5 digits
1983-84
N + 6 digits
1995-96
U0 + 5 digits
2010-11
E + 6 digits
1984-87
O0 + 5 digits
1997-00
JD12 + 6 digits
2012
A + 6 digits
1985-86
P0 + 5 digits
1999-02
JD13 + 6 digits
2013
B + 6 digits
1985-86
Q0 + 5 digits
2002-04
JD14 + 6 digits
2014
C + 6 digits
1985-86
R0 + 5 digits
2004-05
F + 6 digits
1986-87
S0 + 5 digits
2006-08
G + 6 digits
1987-88
T0 + 5 digits
2007-08
H + 6 digits
1988-89
I + 6 digits
1989-90
J + 6 digits
1989-90
K + 6 digits
1990-91
L + 6 digits
1991-92
M + 6 digits
1992-93
N + 6 digits
1993-94
O + 6 digits
1993-94
P + 6 digits
1993-94
Q + 6 digits
1993-94
S + 6 digits
1994-95
T + 6 digits
1994-95
U + 6 digits
1995-96
N + 5 digits
1995-96
V + 6 digits
1996-97
Одно из популярных заблуждений, с которыми нам приходиться сталкиваться в сети, касается определения года выпуска инструментов Fender Japan Standard Series (J-Craft) .
Часто можно встретить объявления о продаже этих гитар с указанными в описании датами выпуска с 1993 по 1996 г. Это объясняется тем, что инструменты имеют серийные номера начинающиеся с букв O, P, Q и тд. Если проверить дату выпуска по этим серийным номерам то мы получим как раз 1993-94 год выпуска. Но не стоит спешить с выводами .
Есть несколько моментов которые следует учитывать при определении даты выпуска инструментов Standard Series . Эти инструменты появились в каталогах Fender Japan только в 1997-1998 г. До этого времени аналогичные инструменты выпускали под брендом Squier Silver Series .
Все модели серии Standard (страты, пресы, жабы и тд) маркировались как Made in Japan независимо от года выпуска . Надпись Made in Japan наносилась на голову грифа мелким шрифтом под названием модели , рядом с логотипом Fender . Серийные номера, как правило, находятся на тыльной стороне грифа в районе соединения с корпусом .
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Серийные номера гитар fernandes
DATING ESP GUITARS BY REFERENCE OF SERIAL NUMBERS
The serial numbers of ESP guitars were not or hardly administered in the early days of production. Serial numbers from before 2000 are therefore unreliable for an exact date.
Where to find the serial number The serial number is stamped on the back of the headstock, punched on the neck plate or on (semi) acoustic guitars on the bottom inside the body.
If you want to know the production year of your ESP guitar,you can decipher it with the serial number decoder, or find it in explanation about the dating system below.
ESP history in short
The founder of the ESP company is Hisatake Shibuya. He was born in 1937 in Sado on the island of the same name in Japan. After graduating from Doshina University in 1961, he joined the guitar manufacturer Kawai. After 4 years he joined Yamaha and later the guitar manufacturer Fernandes.
During this period he gained a lot of experience and started his own company in Tokyo in 1975. The company where he employed 3 employees consisted of a shop and a workshop for repairs and making parts for guitars. Guitars were also made here on a special order, which were built to the individual wishes of the customer.
The sale of the own-built guitars turned out to be a great success and the demand for them grew quickly. A few years later, the production facilities were therefore moved to larger premises just outside Tokyo. The company expanded and from 1979 orders for customized guitars were also produced worldwide.
In 1981 ESP established itself in the USA with an office in New York and in 1983 in Germany for distribution in Europe. Also in 1983, Hisatake Shibuya started a ‘guitar making vocational school’, some graduates of which landed a job at ESP.
ESP already had several hundred employees, but that number grew after a new plant was opened in 1986 in Sado Island.
In 1985 George Lynch of the heavy metal band Dokken discovered during a tour in Japan that ESP also built custom guitars. As a result, his famous ESP Kamikaze was created and ESP released this George Lynch’s Kamikaze as his first signature model.
In 1990, Metallica guitarist Kirk Hammett visited the ESP Custom Shop with the idea of building a model based on the mysterious Ouija board game. The first version was for Kirk only but had two spelling errors. Instead of «WILLIAM FULD TALKING BOARD», the Ouija body of this first version reads «WILLIAM FUED TALKING BAARD SET». The first batch of the Ouijas with Kirk signature were neck-thru and were released in 1993, destined for the Japanese market. Later the Ouija was introduced as a Bolt On guitar. The official introduction for export was in 1995.
ESP gained fame by making guitars for trash metal guitarists including James Hetfield (Metallica), Scott Ian (Anthrax) and Jeff Hanneman (Slayer). As a result, ESP has become one of the most popular suppliers of heavy metal guitars.
To keep costs down, the LTD series were now also made in Korea (later also in Indonesia, China and Vietnam) from 1996 and the export to the USA of the Japan-made LTD guitars stopped.
However, despite the now increased prices, ESP resumed the export of the Japanese series to the USA in the early 2000s.
Hisatake Shibuya
George Lynch with ESP kamikaze
Kirk Hammett with ESP Ouija The top-quality ESP guitars are made in the ESP managed and operated factory in Japan, and the more affordable LTD line is made in various locations in Asia.
The popularity and demand for ESP guitars continues to expand, with a new factory opened in North Hollywood, CA, USA in 2014 near the new Los Angeles headquarters. Here the line of ESP USA guitars is produced and was added to the existing well-known series of ESP as LTD and E-II series.
ESP is constantly innovating both electric and acoustic models.
The dating of guitars built in the eighties and nineties is often unreliable. Its administration was done carelessly. Some guitars from that period have no serial number at all.
Also with the neck plate serial numbers do not always give the exact date. (If they already have a number because neck plates with only the ESP logo were also used) The plates with number were made well in advance and used randomly.
For guitars without a serial number on the headstock or neck plate, you may still be able to find a serial number on the heel of the neck. There is also a chance that a number is written in the cavity on the body of the pickups. In that case you can decipher this number in the decoder to a date.
The eight-digit coding system from before 2000 looks like this: DDMMYNNN DD = day of the month (01 — 31) MM = month (01 — 12) Y = Last digit of the year NNN = production number 000 — 999 Example: 25055012 is the 12nd guitar built on May 25th 1995.
After 2000 a serial number system was used which is a lot simpler. It consists of 1 or 2 letters followed by 7 digits. The letter (s) indicate the location of manufacture. The first 2 digits are the year, the next 2 digits are the week number, the 5th digit is the day of the week and the last 2 digits is the production number. Example: SS1209210 SS = Custom Shop ESP 12 = 2012 09 = week number 9 2 = the 2nd day of week 9 10 = production number So SS1209210 is the 10nd guitar, built on February 28, 2012 in the Custom Shop of ESP in Tokyo. This system was used until 2015.
From 2016 another system was introduced. This system consists of 1 letter followed by 7 digits. The letter is the brand name, E = ESP. The first 4 digits are the production number, the next 2 digits the year and the last digit the series type. (1 = Custom series, 2 = Signatures series and 3 = E-II series). Example: E1234162 E = ESP 1234 = production number 16 = 2016 2 = Signatures Series
Kirk Hammett Signature (K-) serial numbers The first Kirk Hammett Signature guitars appeared as Custom Shop models back in 1993. Kirk Hammett’s signature is on the front of the headstock and the serial number on the back of the headstock.
These serial numbers start with K- followed by 4 or 5 digits. Until the official introduction in 1995 the guitars had a 4 digit number, then a 5 digit number was introduced.
Kirk Hammett Signature (K- serial number)
ASIA The guitars built in Korea, India, Indonesia, China and Vietnam use different serial number systems. This makes proper dating difficult. What they do have in common is that the first 2 digits after the letter prefix contain the year.
Productie locations Letter + 7 digits. E and U = Korea. I = Vietnam. L = China.
2 letters + 7 digits. IS and IR = Indonesia. Letter + 8 digits. W = World Musical Instrument Co., Incheon, Korea.
2 letters + 8 digits. IW, IX and IS = Indonesia. WR and GW = World Musical Instrument Co., Incheon, Korea. SX, SK, RS and SP = China.
2 letters + 9 digits. IS = Indonesia.
Factory World Musical Instrument Co., Incheon, Korea
